“I think there was a lot of information that fit into this bigger puzzle that we’re putting together,” Murphy said. “And we have different voices telling the same meeting, and telling more or less the same story.”
“The general message we got from all of these witnesses is that the president knew he had lost the election, or that his advisers had told him he had lost the election, and that he was looking for ways to do so. . could retain power and remain president,” she added.
As the White House’s top lawyer, Cipollone could be a key source of information on attempts by former President Donald Trump and his allies to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. In his public testimony explosive last month, for example, former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson said Cipollone warned of legal guilt if Trump travels to the Capitol with his supporters on Jan. 6.
Murphy said the select committee was successful in getting Cipollone to “confirm the concerns he had” about efforts to overturn the election.
“He made it clear that he took the side of many people you have already seen appear before the committee and claimed that there was not enough evidence to prove that the election was not free and fair. “Murphy said. .
When asked if Cipollone’s testimony would be presented publicly this week, Murphy replied, “I imagine you will hear things from Mr. Cipollone, but also from other people who were in the White House.”
The panel is scheduled to hold a hearing Tuesday on convergences between the Trump world and extremist groups such as the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers around Jan. 6. Another hearing is possible this week, but has not been announced by the committee.
Murphy is expected to lead Tuesday’s hearing with Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.). The Maryland Democrat said on CBS’ “Face the Nation” on Sunday that he planned to highlight a Trump tweet from December 2020 proactively calling on people to join the Jan. 6 protests on Capitol Hill. Raskin noted that the tweet came just hours after the president met with allies at the White House about plans to cancel the election.
“People will hear the story of this tweet and then the explosive effects it had in the Trump world and especially among domestic violence extremist groups, the most dangerous political extremists in the country at this time” , Raskin said.
Raskin said they also plan to discuss the “fundamental importance” of a Dec. 18, 2020 meeting at the White House where Trump allies “have come to try to urge several new courses of action, including seizure of voting machines across the country”.
Trump allies, such as Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani, were part of the discussion, Raskin said, while “against this ‘crazy team’ was an inside group of lawyers who basically wanted the president to recognize at this when he had lost the election”. and were much more willing to accept the reality of his defeat. The select panel did not expect any witnesses at the meeting to speak about it publicly on Tuesday, Raskin said, although they would present other evidence.
POLITICO previously reported that former New York City Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik, who worked with Giuliani in his efforts to find voter fraud, told the select panel that retired Army Col. Phil Waldron had first floated the idea of Trump issuing an executive order to seize the voting machines.